'Arrrrr You A Werewolf?' - Wolves Attack - 11pm

I thought we were all happy to let this lie for a while? It seems as though everyone else involved was happy to forget about it and focus on different things, then TAP produces a megaton out of the blue! Seems a bit fishy.

Luke_25 wrote:I thought we were all happy to let this lie for a while? It seems as though everyone else involved was happy to forget about it and focus on different things, then TAP produces a megaton out of the blue! Seems a bit fishy.

Perhaps he's a wolf and felt forced to produce this "megaton" because we were getting close to nabbing some wolves. Mibs.

Luke_25 wrote:I thought we were all happy to let this lie for a while? It seems as though everyone else involved was happy to forget about it and focus on different things, then TAP produces a megaton out of the blue! Seems a bit fishy.

I was more than happy to let it lie. As a human who was looking at being up for lynching on Sunday because of it, I was glad when things moved on.

This confuzzles me though. Surely TAP, if he were a wolf, would also let it lie? He wouldn't bring it back up, as he would know Kanbei would counter anything he posted and bring suspicion on them both.

It is natural to suspect eveyone in the thread, but this may just be a case of Kanbei and TAP thinking the other is a wolf. It seems to be the only logical reason why neither want this put to bed.

Right I'm off for the night, I don't know what time I'll be able to check up on events tommorow so this could be my last post.

I don't think the majority of active posters in the thread are likely to be wolves, as it's been far too easy thus far to sit back and let us pick each other off. As such I believe the best long term plan of action is to lynch inactives for reasons that are three-fold. One, it removes players who are useless by not playing. Two, special roles are already likely to be involved in some capacity and are therefore unlikely to be lynched. Three, it will draw those wolves that aren't posting much yet out of hiding, forcing them to comment more and should hopefully lead them to contradict themselves and show their connections with their hairy brethren.

We can still win if we use the powers of logic and clear thought.

My advice from the very first night echoes Sykes' thoughts.

Look back at any of the big events so far. Try and associate whatever names you can with them.

Then, go through the names list and try to remember a post or two from each person. The clearer the better for this exercise. Cross off the people whose posts you can explicitly remember (even better if you can remember almost the exact wording and timing of these posts, and if you can "tie" these to events).

It's likely that the wolves will not be crossed off when you do this. Look at the names that are left.

Again, it's not foolproof, as you will get wolves who want to stoke the fire. However, at least 2/3s of the wolves will happily keep themselves apart for now.

Yeah - ok so all of that has left me a little confused with all these PM'ing accusations.
Can anyone tell me in laymans terms who's supposedly guilty of what, and why?

Parksey wrote:

Luke_25 wrote:I thought we were all happy to let this lie for a while? It seems as though everyone else involved was happy to forget about it and focus on different things, then TAP produces a megaton out of the blue! Seems a bit fishy.

I was more than happy to let it lie. As a human who was looking at being up for lynching on Sunday because of it, I was glad when things moved on.

This confuzzles me though. Surely TAP, if he were a wolf, would also let it lie? He wouldn't bring it back up, as he would know Kanbei would counter anything he posted and bring suspicion on them both.

It is natural to suspect eveyone in the thread, but this may just be a case of Kanbei and TAP thinking the other is a wolf. It seems to be the only logical reason why neither want this put to bed.

As Zenigame said, he could be a wolf trying to lead us back on to a dead trail. Haven't you said yourself before that we shouldn't get caught up in all these "gates"? Well I agree, and that's why I don't like it that TAP has brought this up again out of the blue.

Honestly, I don't really think anyone involved is a wolf, so I think we should just forget about it for now. I'll be keeping my eye on TAP though.

Came online and noticed that my PM to DML hadn't been read. Thought maybe some special role had stopped me from having a vote today or something.

Yeah, I think past games have told us not to spend too long trying to detangle our own messes.

The problem is, if the wolves wanted us to get tangled in "__-gate", why would TAP, the wolf, pick a scandal he was involved in to attract our attention? There are, presumably, some dead end investigations we could involved ourselves in (think of Ecno's escape and disappearance, for example) that don't feature a wolf.

Just seems a risky strategy, if that was indeed their aim.

Parksey wrote:Yeah, I think past games have told us not to spend too long trying to detangle our own messes.

The problem is, if the wolves wanted us to get tangled in "__-gate", why would TAP, the wolf, pick a scandal he was involved in to attract our attention? There are, presumably, some dead end investigations we could involved ourselves in (think of Ecno's escape and disappearance, for example) that don't feature a wolf.

Just seems a risky strategy, if that was indeed their aim.

Look first night people put me in prison and then I had to be more vocal to defend myself. After that there was no need for me to get involved in these retarded gates which has just ended up lynching humans.

PsychicSykes wrote:I have a theory.

The wolves hit Hank at random because he hardly posted and everyone implicated in this mess is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Discuss.

(This is mainly based on my idea that the parties involved are all discussing this reasonably and logically, rather than attempting to deflect attention. I could be wrong though. Then again I'll almost certainly be out the game soon so ho hum. Just a thought.)

I tend to agree, I said it was probably a lucky wolf hit a few days ago. Afterall it seems a few people noticed hanks odd behaviour, it's quite possible a wolf did too.

It's interesting that both Dala and Hyperion are keen for the group to continue to pursue these 'leads' by kicking the wasps nest.

It's also incredibly strange that TAP brought the whole issue up again.

Kanbei wrote:Also, about the outbox thingy, what me and Sykes did was this.

1. I sent a PM to Sykes
2. Sykes DID NOT LOOK at the PM, that PM remained in my outbox
3. When Sykes DID LOOK at the PM, that PM was REMOVED from my outbox.

There's an intermediary stage, wherein Sykes has opened his PM inbox but not the PM itself. It's at that stage which the PM is removed from the sender's outbox.

I don't even know what this could possibly prove -- I guess just that I don't really think either you or TAP are wolves and this supports both of your stories? -- but you are wrong on the internet so I have to fight you to the death.

Parksey wrote:

Dalagonash wrote:Parksey trying a bit too hard to defend Kanbei here... TAP rattle the cage a bit too loud for you wolves?

As Sykes says, I am just defending the side which I perceive to be speaking common sense.

You've just waded in again with another suspicion just thrown out.

Ok, I'm just going to put this explain my theory as simply as possible, I work mostly on trying to analyse posting style and perceiving allegiances and players adhering to what I see as the key wolf plays.

This all starts with Sykes, a player who I genuinly believe, on account of his hardest efforts, is one of the furry lot. I'm sure he will quote this and once again shout in my face with his innocence but it's this aggressive 'shoot me now!' stance that has made me suspect him as a wolf, most humans who get caught in the firing line are content with damning those who set them up but Sykes' play seems to be all about dissuading his death in as aggressive a way as possible, calling people names, daring them to shoot him, all very typical psychological plays to try and not die, and why would Sykes want to not die? Either he's simply a rather rude human or it's something else...

Since the start of this 'choose five' task a number of players have been in clear cahoots, as I explained in my previous post, a group including Sykes, BID0, Henke, Satriales, & Kanbei were very loud about their idea and the way it played out was nothing but orchestrated, and I find it hard to believe anyone who isn't a wolf would be hard pressed not to suspect them, as such lists lke Poncho's, which was fairly long and contained none of these, suddenly seemed very suspicious.

So why does Sykes want to not die so badly? Because his death, if he is indeed a wolf, would signal the collapse of the house of cards, any players he's been seemingly in collaboration with would suddenly be under suspicion, and the list is deliciously tight knit over the last event.

As such we move on to Parksey.

My suspicions were raised a couple of pages back when I saw the post about not going with the same five, the play on the prior page had already goaded the likes of Gorrable and Smurphy into agreeing but then there was some doubt, in comes Parksey playing Devil's advocate and posting sensibly to coax the humans into talking sensibly through a new list based on Poncho's entertaining, particularly un-wolfy names.

But then what follows is agreeing with Sykes' 'attack the inactives' post, which I see as the major wolf play that follows the 'same five' plan, if as I see it the wolves are all or mostly active then the idea of goading the remaining players to slowly whittle down inactive players gives the wolves a huge amount of time to slowly chomp their way through any remaining key aggressors and win the whole thing.

Then there is last night and TAP's 'revelation', pointing out a strong case for Kanbei's wolfey status (as a rule of thumb, remember, trust no-one, even if they have a seemingly watertight argument for their position). Kanbei fights back, fair enough, expected, then Parksey starts to point out counter evidence against TAP in expected level headed fashion, ok, but then Sykes hooks on to arguing against TAP and who does Kanbei test the PM thing with? Sykes. Either Parksey is getting involved because he genuinely feels it's right, which I don't feel any level headed human could watching Sykes' behaviour, or Parksey has been feasting on humans every night.

tl:dr - Sykes is the weak link in the wolves thread domination, and his death could signal the end for all he seems attached to in this thread who are also, likely, wolves.

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Anyway, I'm now off to work, so I'll have to catch up later.

The adjournment is OVER.



The internet is back - and I have caught up!

To clarify - a Vigilante cannot fire from jail. A vigilante can shoot someone IN jail, but not if thye themselves are in it.

Lets get on the results.

Nova
Smurphy
Drumstick
Red
Clarkman

Two of these players were due to die last night. There was an adjournment, but now two shall die.

The first player lynched by you nasty lot is.....

The SECOND pirate to be lynched is....

OH LOOK

*gurgle*

strawberry float Nova was on my suspects list. Sorry for voting for you

I said Red probably wasn't human! strawberry float sake.