Return of the shopto paranoia....

Jesus Zellery, are you trying to give me a heart attack or what? I shop at Play loads :lol:

I do wonder if something has happened at ShopTo. There seems to be a lot of people showing up with fraudulent transactions after that news site mentioned they had weak security, however long ago it was. What I find most interesting is that I got an e-mail a few months ago stating that as I haven't used my card for 6 months they removed its information from their server. In actual fact, I hadn't used my card with them in well over a year (Eternal Sonata was the last thing I bought I believe). It would seem a bit random to have a new security protocol implemented not long before news breaks of weak security, for it not to have any kind of merit. Perhaps nothing happened at all, but there are enough signs, in my honest opinion, for me to be cautious, but certainly not enough to crucify ShopTo.

I just hope someone doesn't go nuts with my card before next Wednesday! As I'm going to see Britney, and heaven forbid, being declined trying to buy all the useless merch I will weakly get suckered into! Along with my hotel bill >_<.

Yes I'm going to see Britney! So sue me taste police! Blackout was an amazing and critically acclaimed album!

It may be coincidence but Nat West cancelled my bank card (which I've used at shopto - and play and amazon) and issued a new one after the Police passed my details onto them as possibly being compromised. Luckily there are no fraudulent transactions on my account but it has got me thinking.

There's something dodgy about Shopto... This and the fact that they sell European copies of games make me extremely suspicious.

I get the feeling they'll be shut down in the future.

I've never used Shopto due to the owner's dodgy history and that seems like it was a wise decision. This seems like far more than mere coincidence.

PostRe: Return of the shopto paranoia.... by **Rik** » Wed May 27, 2009 9:58 pm

The service from Shopto has always been top drawer for me, if they have leaked details then it's not them who stole the money.

I've been done but I'll use them again.

Also the guy had a business go bust, that is not a criminal offence. If he was doing anyting "dodgy" he would have been imprisoned not banned as a director. From what I read he actually paid a debt with a company vehicle instead of leaving it to be sold so the inland revenue got the money, hardly a hanging offence.

Rik wrote:The service from Shopto has always been top drawer for me, if they have leaked details then it's not them who stole the money.

Let's put this another way. Imagine you go to your local grocery store and you buy a few things with your credit card. The next day you return to find the store locked but the owner has stuck posters containing your credit card number to the inside of the window. You can't get in to remove them because they are performing some urgent "maintenance".

How exactly is that not their fault?

PostRe: Return of the shopto paranoia.... by **Rik** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:59 am

If it was Shopto which has not been proven then they have been the victim of a crime, somebody has managed to steal the details from them.

It has no doubt cost their business a lot of money and should not have happened and my card has been used so I'm a victim also, I'm not defending that.

However linking of this credit card fraud to a previous business and a directorship disqualification is what I don't agree with, they are totally seperate and have no connection. The guy obviously had a business going under and maybe would have taken a supplier with him, so he gave them a company vehicle to settle the debt, then when the business went the Inland Revenue used the preferred creditor rule to disqualify him. That is simply nothing like credit card fraud and nobody should be linking the two.

The actual service and prices of games has been very good for me, one went missing in the post and they sent me another one no problem. I can understand though if people have suffered a fraud though and don't want to take the risk again that is fair enough. Every time you use your card details online you are taking a risk.

I'm waiting for my card statement at the moment it's due anyday and I know of two transactions Barclays have already informed me of that totalled a £1000, then again I gave my details to a supplier for my business and it could have been them who used/leaked them for all I know. A handful of people have had fraud committed against them on this forum but I know of at least 3 people this month who have had a similar thing who have never heard of Shopto, it is a rampant form of crime at the moment and it could just be a total coincidence.

I think the owner of ShopTo must have killed Fishfinger's family or something.

That's the only explanation for his constant moaning about them.

What I don't understand is why so many of you are waiting on statements. Don't you have online banking access?

I turned off statements by post. They're annoying.

With my credit card bills I like to leave it as long as possible before I see the damage :lol:

Jimmy Shedders wrote:I think the owner of ShopTo must have killed Fishfinger's family or something.

That's the only explanation for his constant moaning about them.

Especially when they've been proven guilty of absolutely nothing and they're not alone in holding card details, although you wouldn't know it coming from Fishfingers.

EDIT: Oh and like I said earlier in the thread. I've used them about five times the past two months and my statement is looking fine.

ontwofronts wrote:It may be coincidence but Nat West cancelled my bank card (which I've used at shopto - and play and amazon) and issued a new one after the Police passed my details onto them as possibly being compromised. Luckily there are no fraudulent transactions on my account but it has got me thinking.

Exactly the same thing has just happened to my ASDA Mastercard. They thought it dodgy about me buying car insurance online and said the card is compromised. I also use a few e-tailers including Shopto. Surely you can only suspect Shopto if you only use your card with them and it's kept under lock and key at all other times?

PostRe: Return of the shopto paranoia.... by **Rik** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:00 pm

andythevillan wrote:
ontwofronts wrote:It may be coincidence but Nat West cancelled my bank card (which I've used at shopto - and play and amazon) and issued a new one after the Police passed my details onto them as possibly being compromised. Luckily there are no fraudulent transactions on my account but it has got me thinking.

Exactly the same thing has just happened to my ASDA Mastercard. They thought it dodgy about me buying car insurance online and said the card is compromised. I also use a few e-tailers including Shopto. Surely you can only suspect Shopto if you only use your card with them and it's kept under lock and key at all other times?

Exactly, it's not like credit card fraud is uncommon.

I had a card which I used ONCE for an interest free purchase of a TV from Empire Direct, it was never used for anything else and never left my house. 18 months later I got another bill and someone had managed to buy a load of mobile phones with it, now like I say that card had only ever been used for one transaction with one company.

Rik wrote:If it was Shopto which has not been proven then they have been the victim of a crime, somebody has managed to steal the details from them.

Unless, given the ongoing nature of the rumours, it's an inside job.

No proof either way, and Shopto aren't admitting to anything.

Zellery wrote:
Jimmy Shedders wrote:I think the owner of ShopTo must have killed Fishfinger's family or something.

That's the only explanation for his constant moaning about them.

Especially when they've been proven guilty of absolutely nothing and they're not alone in holding card details, although you wouldn't know it coming from Fishfingers.

EDIT: Oh and like I said earlier in the thread. I've used them about five times the past two months and my statement is looking fine.

I bet he made fishfingers watch as he mutilated and raped their corpses. Poor bastard. :cry:

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Shopto are very suspicious and they've acted very oddly with me in the past. I refuse to use them now. There's definitely something not right about them.

About 3 weeks ago, my bank called me saying my debit card had been used fraudlently. First time it's ever happened to me, and at the time I thought it was a PayPal leak (as they're the only people online I had my details stored with). See, I've had my card details memorised (number/CCV/expiry date), so every time I bought something with it I just typed them in and opted out of saving the details. Nowhere, to my knowledge, had my card details on file.

Until I spotted this thread.

I was sure I'd never bought off shopTo, so I initially dismissed this, but the timing of the fraudulent activity was too coincidental. I've been getting the shopTo newsletters for ages now, so I decided to check if I actually had bought off them before. There was one item (GTA IV on 360), and sure enough, my details were saved on the site.

It's either shopTo, or the biggest strawberry floating coincidence ever.

Fishfingers wrote:
Rik wrote:The service from Shopto has always been top drawer for me, if they have leaked details then it's not them who stole the money.

Let's put this another way. Imagine you go to your local grocery store and you buy a few things with your credit card. The next day you return to find the store locked but the owner has stuck posters containing your credit card number to the inside of the window. You can't get in to remove them because they are performing some urgent "maintenance".

How exactly is that not their fault?

Bad analogy. You're putting it in a way that suggests ShopTo intentionally released the details for people to copy. That's quite an accusation with no proper grounding.

The correct way to put it would be to say that the manager thought all the doors were locked on the outside of the supermarket, but the door to an office containing the card details was left unlocked. The details were easy to reach if you knew what you were doing.

For the record I was one to dismiss the original scare story, and I never received any certificate warnings in Firefox (which normally goes crazy when you come across a site with an expired security certificate). They only appeared after using a very specific tool found in a dark corner of the internet that claimed to scan sites for that data.

I can't say I've had problems fraud wise either, and I bought two things from them. That being said, I routinely lose my debit card on an almost annual basis. The card stored on their server was destroyed not too long after I bought things from them.

Have any of you also ordered with Forbidden Planet International? They have definitely had a leak and lots of people have been stung by fraudsters.

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