The Interesting Thread 2017 - Mudlarking in the Thames

That's impressive, but to be fair, you know on some walls or floor tyles that have bumps or non-regular patterns on them? I keep seeing all sorts of things in those, including human faces, so I'll go for this being just a coincidence, like the Mars face turned out to be a few years ago.

Scientists have since managed to recreate Saturn's Hexagon on a miniature scale under lab conditions -- amazing stuff! http://news.discovery.com/space/saturns ... olved.html

The human brain has a knack for picking out patterns in its surrounding environs. It is little surprise therefore that we should occasionally come across men in the moon, faces on mars etc.

Karlprof wrote:Scientists have since managed to recreate Saturn's Hexagon on a miniature scale under lab conditions -- amazing stuff! http://news.discovery.com/space/saturns ... olved.html

Is it like those weird shapes they can make with ultrasounds and liquid carbon or whatever?

EDIT - I should read links before commenting on them :fp:

By playing with the speed of the ring, the researchers could make nearly any shape that they wanted. The greater the difference in speed between the water and the ring, the fewer sides the polygon had. The shape seems to be bound by eddies that slowly orbit and confine the inner ring into the polygon.

That's awesome.

Cuban Pete wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:The human brain has a knack for picking out patterns in its surrounding environs. It is little surprise therefore that we should occasionally come across men in the moon, faces on mars etc.

A bit like when I try to find celebrity faces in muffins.

There's a face. Next muffin. There's a face. Next muffin.

Your rattling through these quite quickly.

Part 7: The Giza Caverns

Aug. 13, 2009 -- An enormous system of caves, chambers and tunnels lies hidden beneath the Pyramids of Giza, according to a British explorer who claims to have found the lost underworld of the pharaohs. Also, could this site be the location of the tomb of Hermes and the legendary Emerald Tablet?

The Emerald Tablet

[i]
The Emerald Tablet, also known as Smaragdine Table, Tabula Smaragdina, or The Secret of Hermes, is a text purporting to reveal the secret of the primordial substance and its transmutations (turning base metal into gold). It claims to be the work of Hermes Trismegistus ("Hermes the Thrice-Greatest"), a legendary Hellenistic combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth.

What we have found is a unique natural cave system that stretches beneath the plateau for hundreds of meters, and would seem to have been adapted in Egypt's Late Dynastic period to become a bird cemetery.

Populated by bats and venomous spiders, the underground complex was found in the limestone bedrock beneath the pyramid field at Giza. [/i]

The underground system is being referred to as Tomb of the Birds as they believed mummified birds may have been left down there.

"There is untouched archaeology down there, as well as a delicate ecosystem that includes colonies of bats and a species of spider which we have tentatively identified as the white widow," British explorer Andrew Collins said.

Spider within the spoiler box:

[i]Above: The deadly White Widow. (L. pallidus) has a bite which is venomous and can injure humans. While not nearly as toxic as the bite of L. mactans or L. hasselti, the white widow's bite is medically significant and can kill children and the infirm.

Indeed, Giza was known anciently as Rostau, meaning the "mouth of the passages."

This is the same name as a region of the ancient Egyptian underworld known as the Duat.

"The 'mouth of the passages' is unquestionably a reference to the entrance to a subterranean cave world, one long rumored to exist beneath the plateau," Collins told Discovery News.[/i]

What Lies Beyond the Stone Tube?

The red box shows the enterance to the tomb.

Above: The entrance to the underground caverns were sealed off just two days after the rediscovery in 2008.

Andrew Collins, British explorer and writer exploring the Tomb of the Birds.

Above: You can see one blocking stone still in place and a stone staircase leading down to an easterly placed doorway. The letter box-like niche in the wall visible here was covered in debris when I took my own picture of the east lobe.

Above: This one is showing the size of the letter box niches, one of which, on the right, contains a pick axe head. Clearly the mummified remains of a fairly large bird or animal could have been deposited in this hole.

Above: On the right is Richard Gabriel picture # 340, which becomes our first glimpse of the subterranean catacombs that Dr Hawass and his team have revealed for the first time since their apparent exploration by Col. Howard Vyse and engineer John Shae Perring in 1837. In his entry for 3rd May 1837 "Operations Carried On At Gizeh" vol.1) Vyse writes of investigating the tomb and finding a staircase descending from two ruined chambers to a lower range of excavations and shafts. Part of a "large bird", preserved with great care, was brought out.

Here is a gallery with further photographs:

http://www.richardgabriel.info/AAA%281% ... 01%29.html

"These caverns are natural, and must not be confused with the subterranean galleries entered by Dr Hawass and his team, which are accessed elsewhere in the same tomb."

Collins backs up his claims by producing radar satellite imagery that shows geological faulting coinciding precisely with the position and orientation of the caves explored so far. This faulting is seen to extend hundreds of meters from the position of the tomb to beneath the plateau's Second Pyramid, the site of the fabled Cave-tomb of Hermes according to ancient Arab sources.

Collins's evidence is supported by the memoirs of British explorer Henry Salt who in 1817 records how he gained access to the same cave system, and explored them for a distance of "several hundred yards" before coming up four spacious chambers, from which went various labyrinthine passages.

With the sealing of the entrance to the tomb, any hope of further exploration in the caves now becomes impossible.

Equipment, possibly from the original exploration of the tomb in the 19th century?

Could the fabled tomb of Hermes lie within these caverns?

The alleged teacher the magical system known as Hermetism of which high magic and alchemy are thought to be twin branches. The name Trismegistus means thrice greatest Hermes, and is the title given by the Greeks to the Egyptian god Thoth or Tehuti, a lord of wisdom and learning.

According to medieval Arab sources, the Second Pyramid, attributed to the pharaoh Khafre (the Greek Cephren), was seen by the Sabaeans of Harran, guardians of the Hermetic philosophy following the fall of Egypt to the Arabs in the mid seventh century, as marking the location of the fabled Tomb of Hermes.

Hermes himself was said to have been buried in a cave-tomb, his corpse bearing on its lap the original Emerald Tablet, a carved slab of green stone on which was written the 13 lines of hermetic text known collectively under the same name - the Emerald Tablet. The earliest known version of this text is recorded in an eighth century Arab account, while the first translation into Latin appeared in the thirteenth century. Aside from the famous hermetic maxim of "As above, so below", the text reveals the nature of God in his role as the Pythagorean concept of the Monad, i.e. "the One".

The Green Chamber

Even if this is not the case, the idea that the caves entered via the Tomb of the Birds lead eventually to the Tomb of Hermes is a fascinating possibility. What exactly was the original Emerald Tablet, or Tablets? One high profile Egyptologist known to me believes that the Emerald Tablet is the distorted memory of a chamber beneath the plateau that bears green stone walls, inscribed during Khufu's age with the secrets of creation. It is there to be found, he considers, and just maybe it awaits discovery in the vicinity of the Second Pyramid. We wait patiently for more information in this fascinating saga.

It seems the tomb was locked up to protect it from vandals, but it seems strange that "It makes further exploration an impossibility" seeing as the gate is padlocked. The conspiracist in me likes to think the Tomb of Hermes is being protected from discovery.

Sources:
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/news/experts.htm
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/news/caves1.htm
http://www.philipcoppens.com/giza_collins.html

Actual spiders the size of pseudo-spideriffic Camel Spiders? Yeah, probably best to drop a nuke down there. strawberry float the archaeology, that gooseberry fool's gotta burn. Alternatively, send down a robot.

Whatever this is, doesn't look too bad.

I would imagine that the farther in you go, the more the tunnel will resemble the insect-filled hole Indiana Jones had to stick his arm into in Temple of Doom.

Those Nevada desert shots are blates just missile test sites. Nowt really unusual about them.

Awesome

Coincidentally, an article about the Ararat Anomoly was published today on The Sun's site.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... urkey.html

THE remains of Noah's Ark have been discovered 13,000ft up a Turkish mountain, it has been claimed.

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say they have found wooden remains on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey.

They claim carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old — around the same time the ark was said to be afloat.

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team, said: "It's not 100 per cent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it."

He said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.

The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000ft in the vicinity, Yeung said.

Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.

The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was.

He then told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.

After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain.

Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants ran aground.

And thanks. :mrgreen:

Oh!

I thought you mean in the actual Sun. Because I was wondering how it would have gotten all the way up there.

The story still amazes me. There needs to be more things from the Bible possibly found. :wub:

I doubt it, no one buys bibles... right?

Just noticed she is listening to her I.pod.

Lucien wrote:I agree it is very interesting.

Makes me want to read a bit of the Bible now, where do you get those?... Bible Shops?

Hotel bedside drawer.

I've always found the Star Wars suicides weirdly interesting. 22 British scientists working on the USA's Star Wars defense system (most of them from Marconi-GEC) died between 1982 and 1989, some of the deaths were a bit suspect to say the least.

November 19, 1985: Jonathan Wash, 29
--Expertise: Digital communications expert who had worked at GEC and at British Telecom's secret research centre at Martlesham Heath, Suffolk.
--Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of falling from a hotel room in Abidjan, West Africa, while working for British Telecom. He had expressed fears that his life was in danger.
--Coroner's verdict: Open.

October 1986: Arshad Sharif, 26
--Expertise: Reported to have been working on systems for the detection of submarines by satellite.
--Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of placing a ligature around his neck, tying the other end to a tree and then driving off in his car with the accelerator pedal jammed down. His unusual death was complicated by several issues: Sharif lived near Vimal Dajibhai in Stanmore, Middlesex, he committed suicide in Bristol and, inexplicably, had spent the last night of his life in a rooming house. He had paid for his accommodation in cash and was seen to have a bundle of high-denomination banknotes in his possession. While the police were told of the banknotes, no mention was made of them at the inquest and they were never found. In addition, most of the other guests at the rooming house worked at British Aerospace prior to working for Marconi, Sharif had also worked at British Aerospace on guided weapons technology.
--Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

January 1987: Richard Pugh, 37
--Expertise: MOD computer consultant and digital communications expert.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his flat in with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Rope was tied around his body, coiling four times around his neck.
--Coroner's verdict: Accident.

April 10, 1987: Shani Warren, 26
--Expertise: Personal assistant in a company called Micro Scope, which was taken over by GEC Marconi less than four weeks after her death.
--Circumstance of Death: Found drowned in 45cm. (18in) of water, not far from the site of David Greenhalgh's death fall. Warren died exactly one week after the death of Stuart Gooding and serious injury to Greenhalgh. She was found gagged with a noose around her neck. Her feet were also bound and her hands tied behind her back.
--Coroner's verdict: Open.
(It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope,
then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)

April 24, 1987: Mark Wisner, 24
--Expertise: Software engineer at the MOD.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead on in a house shared with two colleagues. He was found with a plastic sack around his head and several feet of cling film around his face. The method of death was almost identical to that of Richard Pugh some three months earlier.
--Coroner's verdict: Accident.

March 30, 1987: David Sands, 37
--Expertise: Senior scientist working for Easams of Camberley, Surrey, a sister company to Marconi. Dr. John Brittan had also worked at Camberley.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when he allegedly made a sudden U-turn on a dual carriageway while on his way to work, crashing at high speed into a disused cafeteria. He was found still wearing his seat belt and it was discovered that the car had been carrying additional petrol cans. None of the normal, reasons for a possible suicide could be found.
--Coroner's verdict: Open.

May 3, 1987: Michael Baker, 22
--Expertise: Digital communications expert working on a defence project at Plessey; part-time member of Signals Corps SAS.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal accident when his car crashed through a barrier near Poole in Dorset.
--Coroner's verdict: Misadventure.

Some links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEC-Marcon ... acy_theory
http://www2.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/sdi-deaths.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200601151825 ... stery.html

(It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)

Coroner code for; Am I strawberry float calling this a suspicious death, I don't want to be next.

Kind of reminds me of the film Munich, if the assassins had been a bit more subtle and less incompetent.

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