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[Sarge]

Firstly, I'm going to reference Hugo in this post. Prepare yourselves mentally for this with the knowledge that it is not an attack on him, he's just a convinient example. ... Right:

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As a resident troublemaker, I would say with honesty that a more transparent and more humble moderating process would do much better at reigning me in than what we have now.

Nowadays if someone gets into an argument with someone abrasive but immune (Hugo is a prime example) you can expect the Mods to come down hard on you if you so much as show frustration at his bizzare behaviour. Yet, to my knowledge, he has never so much have been warned. The process the Mods go by to reach this course of action is a mystery to me, and if I were to complain about it Eighthours (and it is always Eighthours) would close the thread with a witty put-down. Amusing, I'm sure, but not terribly helpful.

If, overnight, the bias in the Mod squad disappeared, the Mods opened up their decision-making process a bit, and certain Greenhats started seeing themselves as servants of the community rather than our overlords, I would treat this place with a lot more respect.

(As an aside, do you think I'd call Hugo on being a bad poster [and he is] if the Mods told him, and made it known that they'd told him, that his style is unacceptable? No, because I wouldn't have to. Do you think I'd adopt the beat-them-into-submission style of debate in GGC if there was a rule against it which applied to everyone, even people the moderators like? No, because I wouldn't have to. Honestly, why can Hugo do it and not me?)

I'm glad someone else has brought this up, I'd also like to know why Hugo keeps getting away with breaking certain rules when others are usually issued with a warning/temp ban.

- Abusing other members/flaming.
- Trolling/baiting.
- Aggressive fanboyism.

Those are the rules he's breaking on a regular basis (in my opinion).

I don't really expect an answer, but something has to be done as he is one of the main reasons why GGC is much more hostile than it used to be.

[Sarge]

For the record, I think Peter's on the whole a pretty approachable Mod, he just has no idea about how to deal with disruptive people. He's not understanding in the least and I've always found him to be extremely condescending. I'm not going to be told what to do on a forum which holds no respect for me. It's cyclic and it's interlinked and something is going to need to change drastically for anything to change.

Right I'm going to answer this bit.
I find it hard to listen to someone talk about respect when they have done nothing but laugh in my face and question my motives every time I try to point out that I think you are being rather abrasive towards others. The PC topic is the prime example of this as you have it in your head that the topic somehow belongs to you. If you really want people to respect you you will have to stop the PC supremacy and Peter Crisp crap as it's really not welcome here.
The problem about being told what to do boils down to you breaking the rules and then when I ask you to stop you somehow finding that offensive.

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In a single page I rest my case. Hugo asks a perfectly valid question and gets mauled by you and Winckle.

And what about the numerous times that Hugo is the one dealing out the insults, taking down to people, etc?

Just an observation, but his insane comment & his condescending tone probably didn't help matters.

[Buffalo]

I find it difficult to talk about games in GGC, to be honest. I always get the feeling that I'm 1 post away from being pounced on, and it's not just Hugo either.
Anyway, my thoughts are in another topic.

[Dandy Kong]

...we'll have people posting threads about wanking for however long it takes for Steve to stop posting threads about wanking. I actually like Steve, I think he's a level-headed fella, and he's a perfect poster-boy for the community we currently have, but if we want change then it has to start at the top and he has to start being a better role-model.

It's the elephant in the room. It's Ravenholm. We don't go there.

An interesting insight into Cal's morals.

[George_Stark]

what? cal made a witty remark and your questioning his morals

[That]

Right I'm going to answer this bit.

don't bother, i'm not going to read it

[$ilva $hadow]

I agree with lolprof. Especially on the HSH bit. I don't care if he doesn't add IMO at the end, but sometimes he just trolls for the hell of it. I've just tended to ignore him nowadays though.


Edit: The command line argument is a good example.

[Thongings]

While I don't agree with everything Karlprof says (I don't think the mods put themselves on a pedestal for instance, though I do think the Mod Squad is a little splintered at this point), he does make a lot of good points. If there are any changes to be made, it would be well worth taking on board.

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The last two pages of the PC Gaming thread have been an utter abortion. They certainly don't comply with making the forum a nicer place to read and post in.

[Floex]

Why has this turned into a Hugo bashing topic?

I think we should be thinking of ways to branch out the forum. This place is hardly that different to the old GR but because we are independent now, people feel the need to complain more.

I think it's great we are allowed to voice our opinions more now but I think it has been abused to pointless bitching, which ironically is what this topic is turning into

[That]

Why has this turned into a Hugo bashing topic?

Firstly, I'm going to reference Hugo in this post. Prepare yourselves mentally for this with the knowledge that it is not an attack on him, he's just a convinient example.

your and idiot

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You're not really helping matters, KP.

[HSH28]

- Abusing other members/flaming.
- Trolling/baiting.
- Aggressive fanboyism.

Go on Sarge, post examples.

I'm not sure how I can be considered a fanboy of any type...I mean I might appear to come across as having a disliking of PSN, but thats just down to what I percieve as a lack of good content and even if you take it at what you might call face value, not liking something and posting about it, is not the same as being a fanboy.

I do not abuse or 'flame' anyone. Never have and never will. I disagree, but I always stop short of insults...unless someone else starts it up and then I might post the odd one, but its not something I do alot.

As for Trolling/Baiting. I don't bait, I never post something just to get a reaction, never. Which I guess covers trolling too.

I can see why you might think I do, I get into more than my fair share of arguments and because I'm the one who disagrees you can see that as me starting the argument...but like I said, its always my honest opinion.

So...like I said, lets see some proof, or stop with these accusations thanks a lot.

Personally the only person I really have a problem with here is Karlprof/Winckle (they might as well be one person) the incessant insults against anyone who has the nerve to disagree with them are quite frankly horrible...

...but then its not for me to say what should be done about it. Thats just the way I see it personally, I'm sure others have a different opinion of them.

[That]

- Abusing other members/flaming.
- Trolling/baiting.
- Aggressive fanboyism.

Go on Sarge, post examples.

Allow me.

EDIT: That was meant to be a joke, but after clicking the link and reading there are so many good examples that it might as well have been serious.

Speaking of not reading, you managed to ignore that part of my post that shows that you are universally wrong.

"You are universally wrong" is just as insulting as "get out of the thread Hugo".

[Floex]

Brilliant, so this is where it's going, fine. Tried to help in this but strawberry float it, do what you want guys

[Eighthours]

Right, you want to know the reason why Hugo gets away with stuff?
It's because he's mental.

You want to know the reason why if some of you other fine people troll, then you get told off for it?
It's because you're capable of thinking rationally, and therefore shouldn't be doing it.

In polite society, you don't ban the guy with mental problems from the library if he's causing problems that he can't do anything about because of the way his mind works. But you do ban the people taking the piss out of him and acting like him for the sake of it. Pete from Big Brother 7 couldn't help his Tourettes. It didn't mean that everyone else in the House was shouting, "strawberry float! Wankers!" at him all the time.

(Sorry Hugo, that's my non-medically-trained opinion.)

On another subject, Karl, I got PM'd about your post from earlier (hadn't read it at the time) and the person's paraphrasing of it was this: "The mods should always bend to the will of the people. I've been a mod myself, on a forum I won't mention that was way, way bigger than this place, so I know what I'm talking about. Rather than PM people to tell them they're being warned or banned, you should be asking us why we're acting the way we are, and treating the root of the problem rather than the symptoms. That way you'll have finally earnt our valued respect."

Now, I will read the post in full and respond when I get a bit of time to do so, as it's a real long'un, but if that paraphrasing is representative of any of it, then it's missed the mark big-time.

[HSH28]

Brilliant, so this is where it's going, fine. Tried to help in this but strawberry float it, do what you want guys

Am I not allowed to try and defend myself against this crap?

I wouldn't have posted in here if there weren't people seemingly out to get me.

And no Karlprof, I don't see calling someone wrong (even universally) as an insult. Its not meant that way.

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Brilliant, so this is where it's going, fine. Tried to help in this but strawberry float it, do what you want guys

Am I not allowed to try and defend myself against this crap?

I wouldn't have posted in here if there weren't people seemingly out to get me.

And no Karlprof, I don't see calling someone wrong (even universally) as an insult. Its not meant that way.

To be honest, neither your nor Karlprof have done anything to stop the crap. And it's come from both of you. You are both behaving in a way not befitting a decent forum, and I would be most appreciative if you would both please stop.

[HSH28]

It's because he's mental.

This might go against me, but I don't see disagreeing with people or holding differing (even minority) views and being willing to post them as being 'mental'.

I do think people sometimes take what I post in the wrong way. When I disagree with someone, no matter what I post, I'm not saying that I think they are stupid for holding their views, not really. I might get carried away a little, but it never comes from a malicious place.

[chalkitdown]

So many lies in one post, Hugo. You know that big list of "Hugo quotes" still exists, right? There are countless examples of you trolling on it.